The REAL Problem with Learning a Knife Fighting System For Self Defense | Ryan Hoover




Knife fighting systems like the many branches of Filipino Martial Arts may not immediately answer the self defense questions you may be asking. Here is a video …

19 thoughts on “The REAL Problem with Learning a Knife Fighting System For Self Defense | Ryan Hoover

  1. DoubleTapShooter says:

    I can look good to if all I ever do is talk… I think Ryan Hoover if a good fighter. But I believe he became a good fighter by training in Krav Maga, BJJ, and Kali… However, Ive been watching many of his videos for awhile now and I noticed he talks a lot of smack but never really shows anything. Like this video, I get that the point was train efficiently, dont take 20 years to teach basic things. But in 80% of his videos he actually doesn't do anything but trash talk others… Sorry Hoover but I dont have time for girly gossip trash talk.

  2. power lifting freak says:

    Thank you for showing that what all the people who teach this crap is bull crap you are right thank for showing how much bull crap all these martial arts and crap show it is fake and thank you are right i will agree with this some krav maga and most other stuff like that show this people say krav maga is crap when they show a lie like most weapon self defenses like gun and stuff and most of people who say krav maga stuff is fake is mostly karate people or even MMA because some krav maga people lose in sparring ok MMA vs krav maga in a real fight krav maga would win no doubt but in sparring when there is rules they won't win that is one reason why people say it is fake or they see a fake krav maga person that happens a bunch all over YouTube and stuff but just wanted to say krav maga will say the same thing most of the time if it is real ok the best is when people do krav maga and MMA for years but they probably can't even fight a knife without getting stabbed or cut because that knife is like trying to catch a fly with one hand but it is a Japanese giant wasp that wants to sting you but you can't do anything about it the chances of getting stung is high

  3. Agustin Gracia Colón says:

    The Army's used to call it "funneling." I call it common sense. I adapt anything I learn to fit my capabilities. If you do it backwards the technique may not work. In Judo and in Boxing winners usually are EXPERTS at one or two techniques. When they execute that technique the other "cat" is going down. 2 + 2 = 4.

  4. Phranzis_3 says:

    Weapon is extension of the body. Doesn’t matter what culture or knife. There are only so many ways to slash and stab. Picks what’s right for you and learn it until you become one with it.

  5. Mike Duke says:

    First, as someone else noted, this is 100% a Strawman Argument. Second, though, you can certainly give a student something straight forward and useful to start out with, but if they're hanging around to train with you, you better give them something that will make them better than the average person who trains a little. Throwing some Fast Food Combatives down a person's throat in a short period of time to make them functional is fine, but as a teacher, if they're in for the long haul, its your job to make them better than that, take them beyond that.

    And I agree with others here as well. FMA keeps the same approach for empty hand, stick and knife, and the empty hand to blade transitions work the same for transitioning to a gun. I don't know why you think there is a different delivery system for each one. FMA keeps it pretty freakin simple in that respect.

  6. Liz 928 says:

    I’ve read through most of the comments on this video and am left wondering if ppl even understand what the video is about. He’s not knocking knife systems, he’s knocking the need instructors often have to teach students who are just starting out a dozen different ways to fight depending on the weapon in hand, and he’s right. Conversely, if you’re on the receiving end of a knife attack, and I have been, where I was getting hit AND cut, I never even saw the damned knife until I was already bleeding (which was probably a good thing for where I was at the time—had I focused on that knife I may not have protected my head as well as I did). And for the folks giving ppl shit about “only training for 2 hours a week”, you know what? If that’s what you have to give after a 70 hour work week and seeing your kids for a few precious hours, then by GOD you’re doing SOMETHING to preserve your own life, so don’t listen to those ppl saying you might as well do nothing. NOTHING will save you from everything, no matter how much you train, and to think there’s some threshold you have to meet to even bother with it is absurd. You may not be able to achieve a certain level you want to be at in that time per week physically, but keeping the mindset is crucial, and it’ll help with that. I just find it ironic that ppl judge others for not being able to dedicate more time to train, and then bitch about how “apathetic” they are and how they shouldn’t even bother. My experiences may not be the norm, and I get that, but I was a 17 year old girl who stood NO chance against my attacker, and yet I stopped him before I was seriously injured or worse—I WON. Was there skill involved? Sure. Luck? Absolutely. God? I believe so, no doubt in my mind. But had I gone into it believing I was done? None of that would’ve mattered. So the point is you NEVER give up no matter how little training you’ve had, or how outmatched you may feel (and when you get hit by someone twice your size it FEELS like you’re getting hit by a wrecking ball). Ppl can judge if they want to, that’s fine, but ultimately they have no business telling someone else what THEY need to do to survive. Skill, luck, God, or some combination of the 3–whatever it takes to walk away. Learning a “system” is great, but at the end of the day, when you need to save your own life, who cares if it’s not pretty or graceful? Hurt your attacker more than he’s hurting you, end of story. Jesus, people just get me sometimes—according to their advice I, a teenage girl who didn’t have 10 or 20 hours a week to train, should’ve just “not bothered”, either, and I would be dead right now had I heard anyone say that dumb shit to me and listened to it. So cheers to NOT hearing bad advice before you find yourself getting your ass handed to you.

  7. Bill Fox says:

    The fundamental principle I teach my own students is "Don't be there", which is a mental and physical attitude. Don't go where you may be attacked by someone with a knife. Apart from one incident I do not talk about, but I am here, the only time I have been attacked or threatened with a knife is in the dojo during over 40 years of training.
    Most people never see a knife in the street for several reasons, the most important one of which in the UK (especially London) is skin colour. It is almost exclusively a black-on-black crime between drugs gangs. I am also outside the late teen to mid-twenties age range of most perps and victims. The only person I know, who ignored my basic first principle, nearly died from a single stab wound to his chest which caused a collapsed lung.
    With regard to techniques I have been taught, as opposed to what I have learned, the most common ones seem to be to counter the attacks which are most easily defended against, and the attacks you are least likely to see outside a film set. No amount of training would have protected him from the attack which he could easily have avoided, by minding his own business, but which he neither anticipated nor saw coming. He thought he had been punched until he saw the blood spurting form his chest.
    It is my espoused opinion that if someone wants to kill you with a knife, they probably will, unless they are totally incompetent. All I can do is give my students a fighting chance, but the most important thing I impress upon them is avoid fighting if you can.
    Interesting video.

  8. SOCADANCEBOOK McLeod says:

    anyone who defends any particular system without stating both sides of the coin, has probably never been in a real situation where their art was challenged. I have been in too many situations, both before I started training and after… and he is correct. Any system that takes too long to master is an art system not a defense/protection system.

  9. fried rice says:

    I had forgotten, that's what my karate instructor said to me 40 years ago. I asked him to show me how to fight with a knife. He said to fight just like I was bare handed, basically punch with the knife. Over the years I've learned about using angles, the clock system, triangle/pyramid, etc. I'm not sure he wasn't right. But I think it makes a difference if the enemy is armed and what with. I'll have to work on that.

  10. Shinwoo K says:

    I think the problem is not this or that martial art, but teachers teaching some aspect of a martial art and saying they teach a different one. For example, I saw some time ago a taichi teacher that teached some taichi forms bad applications he made up and called it self defense. I have nothing against taichi, or taichi forms, or taichi forms applications (at least no problem with the good ones). But dont say you teach self defense if you teach crappy applications of a watered down form of an internal martial art. That's straight out lying.
    So, no problem with any martial art/self defense system/combat sport. The problem is teachers that lie, and say they teach something they don't even know.

  11. Gool Gal says:

    I hope this doesn't bother you:
    But could you make a video about how to handle a situation where the opponent grabs your wrists pushes them to your shoulder to make an X shape with your arms and knocks you to the floor.

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