The Origins of Muay Boran | The Indian Origins Theory

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Update in the pinned comment In this video, we retrace the timeline to discover the origins of Muay Boran. We will analyze the current historical knowledge to …

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  1. Gaawut Productions says:

    Muay Boran is different from Bokator and Kbach Kun Khmer Boran (Khmer martial arts). Historically, the first Thais have assimilated Khmer culture and probably Khmer martial arts (both derive from Indian culture), but more than 400 years have passed since the fall of the Khmer empire, years in which the Thais were able to further develop their martial arts system, evolving it and making it their own. The same goes for Cambodia, which has certainly further evolved its martial art from that seen on the reliefs of Angkor Wat (A Khmer temple for those who don't know). To the expert eye, the differences between Kbach Kun Boran Khmer and Muay Boran are immediately recognizable, although the arts may be similar (similarities, among other things, present in almost all the martial arts of Southeast Asia, including in Lethwei which dates back to 1200 BCE That is when there was not even a trace of the Khmer kingdom) but they are also very different. The real problem arises when the Cambodian people start selling Muay Boran as a Khmer martial art. There are many informative videos on the internet on Bokator and other Khmer martial arts, which also include footage of Muay Boran and Thai fighters (This almost makes me laugh at how silly it is). Muay Boran videos (including mine) are full of people referring to it as Khmer martial art, and it's full of somewhat defamatory articles against Muay Thai and Muay Boran in favor of Khmer martial arts, with no rational evidence of why one is better than the other. It almost seems that Cambodians are trying to pass on Thai culture as a subculture/extension of Khmer and Cambodian culture, which is morally unacceptable, given that every culture, regardless of origin and who inspired it, is unique, in all its nuances. Also, it almost seems that Cambodians consider every aspect of Thai martial arts of Khmer origin, they use the typical ropes around fists, which is a Thai characteristic, of which there is evidence in Thai history since 1600, while it is not known if they were used in Cambodia since in the old black and white photos that have come down to us Cambodian fighters fight bare-handed. The point of this text is to inform people, to see with your own eyes and mind the similarities and differences, to respect each culture in all its uniqueness, without offending or devaluing without reason, without being possessed by nonsensical nationalism.

  2. T.E.H Studio says:

    The Funan period is the earliest period of the Khmer Empire, which dates back to the 1st century, and bokator has a history dating back to the Khmer Funan period, which was founded by the Khmer people at that time. The Khmer people already had their own culture and civilization, because Indian and Khmer cultures were so similar that the Khmer people accepted religious influences from India, while your own country only emerged in the 13th century. Cambodia, too, Khmer is the mother of Thai civilization

  3. neo zeon says:

    There were already a Hindu Indianize civilization in Southeast Asia long before there were no Thai civilization in SEA the Thai who migration from southern China in to SEA & The Khmer & Cham people were Hindu indianize civilization in SEA and yes Thai culture is heavily influenced by India but the Thai did not got it directly from India because there a indianize civilization exist already in mainland SEA Khmer & Cham and that where Thai got there Indian culture from when Thai migration into mainland SEA & the Thai were never Hindu

  4. Srey Leak says:

    តិចទៀតរន្ទះបាញ់ក្បាលហេីយពួកអាថៃពួកអាដេីលូចរបសគេ​ អាពួជចោ

  5. Brett Jackson says:

    Even though I have a interest in both bokator and kalaripayuttu. It's pretty obvious that it has nothing to do with the creation of Muay Boran as a art. Despite techincal similarities!!!!

  6. Sitt •_• Vachiras says:

    ไม่ว่ามวยโบราณจะมาจากรากเหง้าใด ไม่ว่าจะเป็น india ,china ,khmer หรือ srivichai แต่มวยไทยโบราณคือมวยที่หล่อหลอมรวมเป็นตำนานมาจากสงครามไทย vs burma war ซึ่งเป็นเอกลักษณ์ประจำชาติไทย เพราะมวยไทย นั้นมาจากมวยสงครามจริง ต่อสู้กันจริงในศึกสงครามกอบกู้ชาติบ้านเมืองอย่างแท้จริง
    อยากให้ท่านเล่าประวัตินายขนมต้ม ให้ชาวต่างชาติได้รับทราบโดยทั่วกันด้วยนะครับ ขอบคุณมากครับ

  7. Gaawut Productions says:

    Update:

    -Links to Burmese martial arts were not explored (Lethwei dates back to the 2nd century B.C.E. long before Funan). Lethwei probably comes from Indian martial arts.

    – Link with the Mon was not explored, the correlation between Mon and SEA martial arts is strong. Everywhere the Mon ethnicity was originally present, the people practice martial arts that resemble each other.

    -The Lanna style of Muay, Muay Jerng, is quite different from Bokator/Kbach Khun Khmer, apparently it was heavily influenced by Tai and Chinese styles and local dances.

    -Bokator's origins are still ambiguous.
    Also, keep in mind that there is no evidence of rope around the hands being used in Cambodian Martial Arts, but they are used in Modern Bokator. This might suggest that
    Bokator took inspiration from Muay Boran

    -It's hard to trace back the origins of Lai Tai and Tai martial arts.

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