ShivWorks Clinch Pick / KA-BAR TDI Functional Comparison

In this video I compare the two most popular fixed blade fighting knives on the market, the Clinch Pick and the K-BAR TDI. People ask me which one is better, but …

32 thoughts on “ShivWorks Clinch Pick / KA-BAR TDI Functional Comparison

  1. Xandrosi says:

    In this case, my training has me using the side of my wrist to trap. I'd be very concerned that the Clinch Pick would cut me. Your opening observation that a finger along the top is a terrible idea … not the knife for me.

  2. Sumibraxis Dei says:

    ok… clearing it all up here. if you do NOT know, or practice pikal/p'kal/pical, do NOT buy reverse edged knives. Good point you make in this video, you'll cut your thumb open. break the habit of thumbing your knife.

  3. Zen Viking says:

    Pakal is a downward facing blade grip. Some would also mandate that it is a blade in downward blade grip, while others relax the definition to include any ice pick style grip.

  4. LCO213 says:

    Seems like the Clinch Pick is very task specific. Whereas the TDI can be used for punch attacks, and slash attacks…the Clinch Pick's design makes slash attacks difficult, and unnatural. The Clinch Pick would require a lot more specialized training, because of the reverse grind, but the TDI works well with basic, natural movements. The TDI, in my opinion, is more versatile and easier to use.

  5. Aaron Barcus-Gray says:

    Pakal is actually the reverse grip, with the blade pointing towards the ground when you hold it. Some people will elaborate on this. The clinch pick is made for scythe grip (edge facing towards you). But if you have a straight blade, the blade out, which you can't really do with a clinch pick is common known as icepick grip. Upwards, how you were handling the Kabar is known as Hammer grip, and there's a not so common one, which is a transitional grip called rip cord (blade up, edge towards your body).

  6. Matthew DeMello says:

    I believe the TDI was designed as a LEO tool for firearm retention in close quarters to be worn on their inside belt vertical position. I have a TDI because I have to make sure I conceal that thing, and as you have discussed on your vid, the TDI is superior wearing vertical. I do agree, however, the clinch pick is better for fighting and it is a better draw horizontally. With the TDI, I wear it on my left side vertically and practice drawing it with my non dominant hand in a reverse grip for purposes of firearm retention and close quarters scenarios. That problem you have mentioned with that TDI knife close quarters is eliminated with reverse grip. Reverse grip tends to work with any knife so, having stressful encounters in mind, I always grab reverse to ensure success with any knife… that's just me, though I am surely not a expert either. What's your thoughts¬†+Functional Gentleman¬†?

  7. David Burke says:

    Thoughts on the Spyderco Reverse? I'm not crazy about my TDI and want to give a reverse edge a shot, but haven't had any luck catching TAD in stock with any picks in stock. Not sure how the Reverse compares to the Clinch Pick, the grips are pretty significantly different on them.

  8. Garrett Matson says:

    Good information about the knives. I have had a TDI for sometime and it is a great knife. The Clinch Pick is hard to find they are not in stock every time I look. Keep up the cool videos.

  9. BlueStateRefugee says:

    I like your open mind, I'm planning on taking a TDI knife class up in SE Ohio to get more insight.I have a TDI in a horz sheath left of center line that feels good. But the warrior will have no favorite weapon mantra keeps my mind open. how do you carry the clinch pick ?

  10. Jim Assalone says:

    The TDI is a defensive knife used predominately to keep perp off your pistol. It is usually kept opposite side and with non dominant hand stab and slash until assailant releases hold of your pistol. There are much better knives to use if you have to get in a knife fight. We may have never heard off Zimmerman if he had one  on that cold rainy night.

  11. bryan faulkenburg says:

    Ask and you shall receive . I saw on Facebook today and I asked for this very video . Thank you sir . Now sonce you mentioned the thimb on the reverse edge , I think I'm on the fence about the Clinch Pick . I tend to put my thumb on the "spine " of the knife , which in this case is the cutting edge .

  12. Risobtero says:

    I always looked at the tdi and offset blade knives in general as pseudo push daggers and so they share the same advantages and disadvantage. Since the blade is offset when the points impacts in a straight line the handle will be pushed against the heel of your hand, so impact will be mush harder. A standard knife would want to go from the top or bottom of your hand(depends on what grip is being used) so you are relying on grip strength to stop it from doing that.

    When it comes to using the blade in the clinch I think this is the best way to look at it: Standard knives require elbow movement while offset blades and PD's require shoulder movement therefore they require more space. If your upper arm is trapped you would first have to free it, with a standard knife you can still continue to stab.

    A disadvantage that applies only to offset blade knives and non-symmetrical push daggers is that blade alignment sucks in reverse grip. Specifically with the TDI, when held in forward grip you can bend your wrist slightly forward and the blade will be parallel with your forearm, in the reverse grip you can bend your wrist up until it feels like it's going to break and alignment would still be poor. This can probably be remedied if you use the floro fighting systems grip but it only applies to the long range. Reverse grip is probably better in the clinch but since the blade would hit at a weird angle I think penetration might be poor, it also requires extreme wrist bending.

    Finally, I disagree with the point that the choice depends more on fighting style, I think it's more a matter of priorities and capability. If you are more concerned about long-range then the TDI is better, if you are worried about the clinch than the clinch pick is better, if you are so capable that you think that you can effectively use either knife at the ranges they are suboptimal at, then you can choose whichever you want depending on your fighting style.

  13. wowsplat says:

    Getting stabbed will not take the fight out of you. If you view stabbing videos the most common statement made is something along the lines of "i didn't even know I was being stabbed until I saw the blood"

    Most people end up bleeding out and pass out before they stop fighting. That can take a really long time when you're in a fight for your life.

    Also be aware, once you stab someone you might get some blood on your hands making it very difficult to keep control of the knife. Also if your going at it on the floor there is a possibility of stabbing the ground and slipping past the knife handle. Ouch!

    Check out prison stabbings caught on camera. Those dudes go at it for awhile.

    Good review!

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