Older Warriors: Injuries & Ailments in Ageing Martial Artists

Older Warriors: Injuries & Ailments in Ageing Martial Artists

44 thoughts on “Older Warriors: Injuries & Ailments in Ageing Martial Artists

  1. Paul Lytle says:

    The physical prime of a fighter deosnt always coincide with the fighting prime at the same time the knowledge prime deosnt coincide either your fighting prime is when they best align

  2. 이치고 says:

    Not only injuries, but also older people are more susceptible to diseases. What if the old man has STDS from all the conquering and ploughing of women in his younger days? What if the old man got arthritis from swinging his weapon too much? What if his body can’t simply handle battle like he was once able to? These are things that I always considered whenever I look at an old warrior

  3. Petr Kinkal says:

    I wonder if you hit diminishing returns with training (I mean skill wise) at certain point and how big is it?

    For example lets say you have 4 people (preferably clones 🙂 ) one did train for 2 years the next for 10 next for 50 and the last for 300 years. Would there be any significant difference in their skill (especially between the ones on the long end)?

  4. Stravo Lukos says:

    There are genetic perfects, of course, so anecdotal evidence (e.g. "I saw…!") is useless. The adjusted mean is the stat you want to see, & this is the factual data being presented by schola. I sooooo wish people would shut up & listen, then add thoughtful FACTS to the commentary.

  5. Grégory Fleury says:

    That is something I told you several years ago. You were showing an exercice that had a specific training purpose, but that exercise was clearly something that will wear your joints off after being repeated again again and again.

    There are now a lot of exercises we know we can't do but can be replaced by others that are less destructive.

    Training is destructive per essence, but if you can do it with a better health ratio, wouldn't you do it ?

    Training with exercises that are soft for joints and bones should be the very first thing to learn now.

    An example is abdominal muscle training. Beofre, we did a lot of exercises implying being lied down, feet attached to something and bend upward and lie down again.

    Now we know that it is something that will destroy you in the long run, so we use other abdominal muscle exercises that works very well.

    It is important to stay healthy a very long time, because it is important to continue to practice our passion a very long time.

    We have to learn from that.

  6. mangalores-x_x says:

    There is this obscure RPG "Darklands" which sadly never got much attention in way of sequels that had a RPG system where on character creation you could trade in lived years to get more skills but beyond 30 the physical stats started to deterioate vs. accumulating more skill points. Characters also aged in game so you might be compelled to retire old characters.

    It was also in other aspects interesting in that it was thematically similar to The Witcher by using German fairy tales and Christian mythology as being real in a world of medival Germany. But that's probably the only RPG game I encountered with such a mechanic.

  7. Seamus Derby says:

    Older guys speaking in terms of military having been in service have problems with knees shoulders elbows. But one of the things that keep their edge is dont look weak in front of the new guy

  8. Macnutz420 says:

    Nothing will save you from age and the many problems associated with aging. When and how those problems appear has as much to do with genetics as it does your activities.
    I used to walk long distances on a very regular basis. Was very involved in martial arts, including boxing. I have bad knees now, especially the right knee.
    My ninety year old father was never a compulsive walker and never studied martial arts or any sports. His knees had to be replaced when he was much younger than I was when my knee became painfully useless.

    My family is full of very tall heavy set men who live into their nineties. The latest uncle died at 96. He was a life long alcoholic. Not a healthy eater or clean living sort. Its the result of genetics. We all have great circulatory systems and strong hearts. I do not know of anyone on that side of the family that has ever had a heart attack.

    I am not denying that activities effect your health. i am suggesting that genetics plays a much larger role than many appear to think. That is a bit bothersome, because there is nothing you can do about your genetic inheritance. It's too late. 🙂

    I am seventy and have buggered my shoulder with five pin bowling. It only gets worse after forty.

  9. Erin Tuncan says:

    On the opposite end is the psychological wear and tear that comes from long term combat though really this only applies to soldiers or those who are frequently in very high stress situations repeated over a long time.

  10. michele nicola Rizzo says:

    During the migration era knee and lower leg injuries would be the norm (the head and neck ones were mostly fatal so they don't count). Later the protection level and variety makes it hard to tell. In the renaissance period piercing wounds to the left arm and torso were common.

  11. Gordon Lawrence says:

    My instructor always said training five times as long means you are about half as likely to get injured. So by the time you have trained two years you are 1/4 as likely to get injured in any specific training session (we trained full contact) but you will have had 24 times more sessions than someone who has only trained a month. So over all you will have had about 6 times more injuries. I think he was about right.

  12. DADventureTV says:

    Played Rugby for 25 years. More injuries than care to remember, but always came back until I finally retired (well sort of) at age 45. Can def attest to fact that injuries will affect your speed and certain things that you can do. For example, after having torn both MCLs over my playing career, by the end my lateral movement was quite diminished. Of course, with years of experience came an understanding of how to play to minimize this weakness of mine- being in the right position by being able to read what the other team was doing, being able to tell how another player was going to cut before he did by watching body movement etc. So I imagine older warriors would likely be the same. Plus, the might be able to use armor to help compensate for some of those diminished aspects of their skill. But there is no doubt that an older warrior, simply skill v skill, is going to be at a disadvantage vs a younger warrior. And that’s why he/she would have to fight smarter. And that’s why it’s so enjoyable to watch a younger and older person fight or in sports- age and treachery (er sorry tactics) vs youth and skill.

  13. Al M says:

    In the extreme, you have the example of William Hiseland, a native of Wiltshire, who fought as a soldier in both the English Civil War and Marlborough's French campaigns, over 60 years apart! He was in his early 20's at Edgehill and in his late 80's under Marlborough. What's more, he survived both wars!

  14. EvidensInsania says:

    William Marshall was still leading and fighting at the head of his army at the age of 70 and successfully kicked the French out of England. Some people are just too badass to let old age stop them from them giving you a good trashing.

  15. Luke Diehl says:

    The worst is when you have an injury completely outside of your training that changes how you have to train. 3 years ago I shattered my left leg. I still have trouble pushing off with that leg, and the nerve damage makes it hyper sensitive, so I have to be extra careful to guard that leg. Even a glancing strike makes me want to scream.

  16. hans Moll says:

    I started martial arts without knowing they were called that way, when I was 9 years of age. Jiu jitsu first, judo later. Then came karate and boxing and finally kick boxing. Now I train 3 times a week in a let’s say fighting school but only for fitness. That means bag training intersparsed with jump squats, push ups etc. I’m doing fine but everytime thefighters take to the mat I have this almost uncontrollable urge to participate. I know I should remember that I quit kick boxing due to the combat related injuriesthat took longer and longer to heal. I have to tell me time and again don’ttake on challenges like they do when we have free for alls. It is so tempting that I almost forget that I’m almost 71 now.

  17. Emmanuel Delay says:

    This reminds me of a scene from "The Bridge on the river Kwai".
    The commandos didn't get parachute training, although the mission required a parachute jump.

    The British officer explained: you're much more likely to get injured during training than the likeliness you will learn something useful.
    (Note: there would have been only a couple of days between training and the mission.)

  18. J Attitude says:

    Was hoping you make a series but it sounds like you do not want to document all the tips of thins you can hurt one self in historical martial arts and how they did go about fixing that broken foot ore arm in the HEMA treaties.

  19. 2bingtim says:

    Friend of mine had already damaged his hips doing judo kicks by his mid 20s at the latest. I'd thought/hoped the title may have meant describing the skill set/limitations of older warriors, 50s+, especially as many cukltures called up guys up to their 60s.

  20. anpu says:

    Interesting point, so when is a warrior at his/her best? As training and therefore skill are at inverse curves to physical health? When do the curves meet? I mean this in a philosophical sens as each person will be different.

  21. Expendable84 says:

    This video reminded me of a passage from the book Gates of Fire where it talks about an older Spartan who is presented in the story as one of the best fighters but every night he has to have his servant massage his muscles a certain way in order to be able to fight again the next day and every morning the servant has to strap the Spartan's armor on in a certain way so that it helps supports his weak shoulder and other worn out/injured body parts.

  22. nickyiil says:

    Oh mat! you are in for a treat if you think 41 is old. wait till you hit 45 at least then we will talk. I was able to do things at 44 that were not even remotely possible at 45.
    Designer flaws unfortunately. we were not meant to live that long, nor lead sedentary lives.

  23. Oscar Coco says:

    Injuries happen, 3 years ago I had a powerlifting total of over 1400lbs. Got hit by a truck tore all of the ligaments in my left shoulder now I'm lucky to hit 185 on the bench.

  24. Elijah Nell says:

    Speaking of Game of Thrones, we do get Ser Barristan’s POV in one of the books, in fact, and as far as I can remember the chapter contains LOTS of mentions of him getting old and ‘not as good as before’. In one of the scenes he defeats a much younger arena fighter mostly by using a superior armour wisely (as well as the opponent’s inability to overcome it) and it really highlights the point

  25. PXCharon says:

    A somewhat famous comic/folk musician in the US, Michael Longcour once wrote, "Old Swordsmen get to be that way because they're very good."

    And while that's probably true to a large extent, it doesn't mean they don't constantly hurt in some way.

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